Amateur Crafting Quests

Post by **Jakkal** » Tue Dec 28, 2021 10:01 am

Okay, I didn't want to slog through a bunch of old posts and look for the information. There's some issues with the Amateur Crafting quests that were just released and I'm going to document my work here.

Blacksmith:

Thestran Blacksmith Amateur Training: Complete

For the Recipes "Tin Sheet" and "Tin Ingot" I have removed the 'quest' from the recipe_name and added in "Amateur Education:" as a prefix to denote it is a temporary, quest based recipe.
Fixed a typo in the accepted function where the Imbalanced Large Hilt recipe was not being sent to the player. Added the removal of the Imbalanced Large Hilt recipe when the quest is completed or abandoned.
Added the recipe for Imbalanced Metal Ribbing to accepted function. Added the removal of the Imbalanced Metal Ribbing recipe when the quest is completed or abandoned.
Created new "Thestran Sabatons" (22657) recipe that is quest specific and does not give all the catalyst based options like the original did.
Added "Amateur Education:" prefix to the "Thestran Sabatons" recipe.
Added Where Found Text "QST.Thestran.Amateur.Blacksmith" to "Thestran Sabatons" item information.
Created new "Thestran Blade" (22658) recipe that is quest specific and does not give all the catalyst based options like the original did.
Added Where Found Text "QST.Thestran.Amateur.Blacksmith" to "Thestran Blade" item information.
Added Related Quest Information to Quest Specific Recipes' information listing.
Added the faction requirement of 100 Thestran Artisan's Faction to get the quest.
Created new "Imbalanced Large Hilt" recipe to replace the original "Imbalanced Large Hilt".
Created new "Imbalanced Metal Ribbing" recipe to replace the original "Imbalanced Metal Ribbing".
Put all the finishing recipes in the "Special" section, as the secondary recipes were found in the secondary section, and that's pretty confusing.

Qalian Blacksmith Amateur Training: Complete

Going to be doing much of the above to the Qalian Blacksmith Amateur Training quest. I will only post here when I do things that are specific to this quest and it's recipes/items.
Added the prefix "Amateur Education: " to all the quest specific recipes.
Added the Quest information to all of the quest specific recipe descriptions.
Replaced Stage 0 Action on "Qalian Sabatons" with the new action that only offers the one result.
Replaced Stage 0 Action on "Qalian Blade" with the new action that only offers the one result.
Edited description of Qalian Blade (Still mentioned 'Thestran' on it).
Added where found text to Qalian Blade and Qalian Sabatons "QST.Qalian.Amateur.Blacksmith"

Kojani Blacksmith Amateur Training: Complete

Going to be doing much of the above to the Kojani Blacksmith Amateur Training quest. I will only post here when I do things that are specific to this quest and it's recipes/items.
Added the prefix "Amateur Education: " to all the quest specific recipes.
Added the Quest information to all of the quest specific recipe descriptions.
Replaced Stage 0 Action on "Kojani Sabatons" with the new action that only offers the one result.
Replaced Stage 0 Action on "Kojani Blade" with the new action that only offers the one result.
Edited description of Kojani Blade (Still mentioned 'Thestran' on it).
Added where found text to Kojani Blade and Kojani Sabatons "QST.Kojani.Amateur.Blacksmith"

Additional Changes:

Changed the name of the "Smelter" and "Forge" in Three Rivers so that it matched the same naming convention as other Blacksmith stations in game "Blacksmith Forge (Refining)"
Xinux has done the above for all the crafting stations that did not have the full name and title. Consistency.

Intentions:

Make all changes the same across the board.
Make new quest specific recipes that are less confusing. (For example, the Blacksmith "Tin Sabaton" recipe is the same one the players have to train and also have multiple options. The training quests should only have one outcome).

Outfitter: As of Feb 5, 2022

Thestran Outfitter Amateur Training: Complete

Added "Amateur Education: " to Cotton Cloth Bolt Recipe ID 1858
Added "Amateur Education: " to Ratty Leather Recipe ID 1882
Created new "Toughened Leather Lining" recipe (ID 22673) specific to the Amateur Education quests. Added the Prefix "Amateur Education: " to the recipe. Original recipe ID: 1283
Created new "Thestran Gloves" recipe (ID 22674) specific to the Amateur Education quests. Added the Prefix "Amateur Education: " to the recipe. . Original Recipe ID 22638
Created new Stage 0 action for "Thestran Gloves" recipe that only has the one option (instead of all the catalyst based options) ID: 17060 (Based on the "Basic Pattern" action 5437)
Added "Amateur Education: " to the existing "Thestran Shoes" recipe (id 22641) as it appears to have already been copied/created. No need to make another one.
Since I am using the existing Thestran Shoes recipe, I am making a record of the original Stage 0 action ID on it: Action ID: 1664
I have discovered that the Thestran Shoes recipe, including the one recorded from Live, have the "Hand pattern" actions on them. I did find a copy of the original foot patterns. I hope this doesn't mess anything up.
Created new Stage 0 action for "Thestran Shoes" ID: 17061/Action ID 17059 based on action 5412

Note for myself:
When making a new action, the regular ID and the action ID are not the same anymore (Not sure when this desync happened)
The action_id goes on the components tab of the recipe data.
The regular id has to go into the stage_0_id of the results tab.

Qalian Outfitter Amateur Training: Complete.

Notes before I begin:

Original "Qalian Shoes" Recipe: 22642 Original action_id under Components: 1664. Original stage_0_id under Results: 5437 (It appears the Qalian Shoes both use the hand pattern IDs. This will need to be corrected.)
Original "Qalian Gloves" Recipe: 22639 Original action_id under Components: 1664. Original stage_0_id under Results: 5437

Work done:

Added "Amateur Education: " prefix to Qalian Shoes Recipe: 22642
Added "Amateur Education: " prefix to Qalian Gloves Recipe: 22639
Added new Stage 0 Actions to Qalian Shoes and Qalian Gloves recipe (based on ones made for Thestran Recipes. These actions are generic and are not continent specific)

Kojani Outfitter Amateur Training: Complete

Notes before I begin:

Original "Kojani Shoes" Recipe: 22643 Original action_id under Components: 1664. Original stage_0_id under Results: 5437 (It appears the Kojani Shoes both use the hand pattern IDs. This will need to be corrected.)
Original "Kojani Gloves" Recipe: 22640 Original action_id under Components: 1664. Original stage_0_id under Results: 5437

Work done:

Added "Amateur Education: " prefix to Kojani Shoes Recipe: 22643
Added "Amateur Education: " prefix to Kojani Gloves Recipe: 22640
Added new Stage 0 Actions to Kojani Shoes and Kojani Gloves recipe (based on ones made for Thestran Recipes. These actions are generic and are not continent specific)

Additional Changes:

The "Tailoring Bench" (spawn ID 1520045) in Renton Keep next to Tobby Fitch has been renamed to Outfitter Fitting Table to be consistent with all the others.

Artificer: As of Feb 5, 2022

Thestran Artificer Amateur Training: Complete

PLEASE SEE OCTOBER 2023 UPDATE INFORMATION REGARDING THE WOOD CLUB RECIPE NOT WORKING!!

October 2023 Update:

We just released T2 crafting and then discovered a huge issue with the Wood Board recipe for the Amateur Artificer quest. The Action IDs somehow got mixed up with another recipe (We do not know how this happened). Upon making a new action specific to these recipes, they were not working.

The fix, for if this ever comes up again: Newly created actions have to be delivered to the player via the quest accept function. Because the action being sent in the quest was not the right one anymore, it was sending a generic error message when trying to set up the recipe. (Tools on the recipe sheet, materials in the chat). The actual problem is that the player did not have the correct, new action.

New Action for Thestran, Kojan, and Qalian Amateur Artificer Wood Club recipe: ID: 17138 Action ID: 17089 Action ID goes in the components tab. ID goes in the stage_0_id of the results tab.

This issue has been fixed but for anyone that already had the quest: You must drop it and retake it. Yes you will lose your progress so far. Sorry about that, but this is the only way to give your toon the new action IDs needed to complete it.

Notes before I begin:

Recipe: Slate Stone Block - Original Recipe ID: 1879
Recipe: Barbed Wood Board - Original Recipe ID: 1201 - This is a trainer recipe. Will need to copy this one and create a new one for the training quests.
Recipe: Imbalanced Wood Shaft - Original Recipe ID: 1848 - This is a trainer recipe. Will need to copy this one and create a new one for the training quests.
Recipe: Imbalanced Wood Grip - Original Recipe ID: 1742 - This is a trainer recipe. Will need to copy this one and create a new one for the training quests.
Recipe: Thestran Stone Truncheon - Original Recipe ID: 22627. Original Component Tab action_id: 1624 Original Results Tab stage_0_1 ID: 5062
Recipe: Thestran Wood Club - Original Recipe ID: 22635. Original Component Tab action_id: 1034 Original Results Tab stage_0_1 ID: 2888 **See October 2023 Update above for changes to this recipe and actions.

Assessing existing quest:

To Do: Add "Amateur Education: " to all recipes involved with the training quests.
To Do: Create new Imbalanced Wood Shaft recipe specific to the training quests.
To Do: Create new Imbalanced Wood Grip recipe specific to the training quests.
To Do: Create new actions for recipes that give more options than is necessary.

Work Done:

Added "Amateur Education: " to all recipes involved with this quest.
Created new "Barbed Wood Board" recipe (22675) to replace trainer recipe currently being used. Removed enhancements and alternative results (Only one result so less confusing)
Created new "Imbalanced Wood Shaft" recipe (22676) to replace trainer recipe currently being used.
Created new "Imbalanced Wood Grip" recipe (22677) to replace trainer recipe currently being used.
Created new crafting action for Stone Truncheon Head: ID 17062 action_id 17060
Created new crafting action for Club Body: ID 17063 action_id 17061 **See October 2023 Update above for changes to this recipe and actions.

Other Notes:

There's only one artificer work table in Three Rivers Village, it's a finishing table called Bowyer's Worktable (spawn_id: 1430127). I am renaming this table to conform to the standard of all worktables.
There are no refining artificer stations here at all, so I am adding one in the same building the other station is in. This is either in error or just made to waste players time by forcing them to go all the way to Tursh or BC to finish their quest.
The Original Imbalanced Wood Grip was not entirely set up correctly with the stage_0_id listing the 3 preliminary actions (1, 3, or 5 grips) so I've fixed it. I did not test it.

Qalian Artificer Amateur Training: Complete

Notes before I begin:

Qalian Stone Truncheon (recipe_id: 22628) - Need to change the stage 0 action with actions created specifically for training quests.
Qalian Wood Club (recipe_id: 22636) - Need to change the stage 0 action with actions created specifically for training quests. **See October 2023 Update above for changes to this recipe and actions.

Work Done:

Replaced the action_id and stage_0_id on both "Qalian Stone Truncheon" and "Qalian Wood Club" recipes. **See October 2023 Update above for changes to this recipe and actions.
Added "Amateur Education: " to the two Qalian specific recipes
Added new actions in quest script.

Kojani Artificer Amateur Training: In Progress

Notes before I begin:

Kojani Stone Truncheon (recipe_id: 22629) - Need to change the stage 0 action with actions created specifically for training quests.
Kojani Wood Club (recipe_id: 22637) - Need to change the stage 0 action with actions created specifically for training quests. **See October 2023 Update above for changes to this recipe and actions.

Work Done:

Replaced the action_id and stage_0_id on both "Kojani Stone Truncheon" and "Kojani Wood Club" recipes. **See October 2023 Update above for changes to this recipe and actions.
Added "Amateur Education: " to the two Kojani specific recipes
Added new actions in quest script.

Post by **shargash** » Wed Dec 29, 2021 9:27 pm

I was working on the Kojani artificer amateur quest when I ran into a strange issue. I was unable to begin the process to create a Kojani Stone Truncheon because "Missing ingredients for step:Block." I have 2 slate stone blocks in my inventory. I tried deleting the blocks and recreating them. I tried changing chunks. I then left the game and came back. I tried deleting the quest and taking it again. I still get the error. I also have 2 Imbalanced Wood Shafts, so I don't think it is just that the message is misleading.

The strange part of the issue is that I had already created one Kojani Stone Truncheon. It was when I tried to create a second one that I began getting the message. I had no problems making the Kojani Wood Clubs required for the recipe.

I have a screenshot of the issue showing the blocks, the message, and one of the truncheons, if you're interested. I can either email it or try to scrounge up a place to host it so I can include it here.

Post by **Jakkal** » Wed Dec 29, 2021 10:11 pm

I'm going to be redoing all of them from scratch at this point, so any existing issues don't need to be reported. And I'm making everything with the quest recipes to make sure it all works (Though since I'm on a GM toon, it will still need player testing just in case something goes wonky with it). I will post when I'm done with the others. As of this posting, I have only worked on Thestran Amateur Blacksmith.

Post by **shargash** » Thu Dec 30, 2021 3:27 pm

OK, thanks for the update. I'll hold off on doing any more testing on the Amateur quests till I see that you're done.

Post by **Jakkal** » Sat Feb 05, 2022 11:20 am

Today's work:

Outfitter: As of Feb 5, 2022

Thestran Outfitter Amateur Training: Complete

Added "Amateur Education: " to Cotton Cloth Bolt Recipe ID 1858
Added "Amateur Education: " to Ratty Leather Recipe ID 1882
Created new "Toughened Leather Lining" recipe (ID 22673) specific to the Amateur Education quests. Added the Prefix "Amateur Education: " to the recipe. Original recipe ID: 1283
Created new "Thestran Gloves" recipe (ID 22674) specific to the Amateur Education quests. Added the Prefix "Amateur Education: " to the recipe. . Original Recipe ID 22638
Created new Stage 0 action for "Thestran Gloves" recipe that only has the one option (instead of all the catalyst based options) ID: 17060 (Based on the "Basic Pattern" action 5437)
Added "Amateur Education: " to the existing "Thestran Shoes" recipe (id 22641) as it appears to have already been copied/created. No need to make another one.
Since I am using the existing Thestran Shoes recipe, I am making a record of the original Stage 0 action ID on it: Action ID: 1664
I have discovered that the Thestran Shoes recipe, including the one recorded from Live, have the "Hand pattern" actions on them. I did find a copy of the original foot patterns. I hope this doesn't mess anything up.
Created new Stage 0 action for "Thestran Shoes" ID: 17061/Action ID 17059 based on action 5412

Note for myself:
When making a new action, the regular ID and the action ID are not the same anymore (Not sure when this desync happened)
The action_id goes on the components tab of the recipe data.
The regular id has to go into the stage_0_id of the results tab.

Qalian Outfitter Amateur Training: Complete.

Notes before I begin:

Original "Qalian Shoes" Recipe: 22642 Original action_id under Components: 1664. Original stage_0_id under Results: 5437 (It appears the Qalian Shoes both use the hand pattern IDs. This will need to be corrected.)
Original "Qalian Gloves" Recipe: 22639 Original action_id under Components: 1664. Original stage_0_id under Results: 5437

Work done:

Added "Amateur Education: " prefix to Qalian Shoes Recipe: 22642
Added "Amateur Education: " prefix to Qalian Gloves Recipe: 22639
Added new Stage 0 Actions to Qalian Shoes and Qalian Gloves recipe (based on ones made for Thestran Recipes. These actions are generic and are not continent specific)

Kojani Outfitter Amateur Training: Complete

Notes before I begin:

Original "Kojani Shoes" Recipe: 22643 Original action_id under Components: 1664. Original stage_0_id under Results: 5437 (It appears the Kojani Shoes both use the hand pattern IDs. This will need to be corrected.)
Original "Kojani Gloves" Recipe: 22640 Original action_id under Components: 1664. Original stage_0_id under Results: 5437

Work done:

Added "Amateur Education: " prefix to Kojani Shoes Recipe: 22643
Added "Amateur Education: " prefix to Kojani Gloves Recipe: 22640
Added new Stage 0 Actions to Kojani Shoes and Kojani Gloves recipe (based on ones made for Thestran Recipes. These actions are generic and are not continent specific)

Additional Changes:

The "Tailoring Bench" (spawn ID 1520045) in Renton Keep next to Tobby Fitch has been renamed to Outfitter Fitting Table to be consistent with all the others.

Post by **Jakkal** » Sat Feb 05, 2022 12:24 pm

Artificer: As of Feb 5, 2022

Thestran Artificer Amateur Training: Complete

Notes before I begin:

Recipe: Slate Stone Block - Original Recipe ID: 1879
Recipe: Barbed Wood Board - Original Recipe ID: 1201 - This is a trainer recipe. Will need to copy this one and create a new one for the training quests.
Recipe: Imbalanced Wood Shaft - Original Recipe ID: 1848 - This is a trainer recipe. Will need to copy this one and create a new one for the training quests.
Recipe: Imbalanced Wood Grip - Original Recipe ID: 1742 - This is a trainer recipe. Will need to copy this one and create a new one for the training quests.
Recipe: Thestran Stone Truncheon - Original Recipe ID: 22627. Original Component Tab action_id: 1624 Original Results Tab stage_0_1 ID: 5062
Recipe: Thestran Wood Club - Original Recipe ID: 22635. Original Component Tab action_id: 1034 Original Results Tab stage_0_1 ID: 2888

Assessing existing quest:

To Do: Add "Amateur Education: " to all recipes involved with the training quests.
To Do: Create new Imbalanced Wood Shaft recipe specific to the training quests.
To Do: Create new Imbalanced Wood Grip recipe specific to the training quests.
To Do: Create new actions for recipes that give more options than is necessary.

Work Done:

Added "Amateur Education: " to all recipes involved with this quest.
Created new "Barbed Wood Board" recipe (22675) to replace trainer recipe currently being used. Removed enhancements and alternative results (Only one result so less confusing)
Created new "Imbalanced Wood Shaft" recipe (22676) to replace trainer recipe currently being used.
Created new "Imbalanced Wood Grip" recipe (22677) to replace trainer recipe currently being used.
Created new crafting action for Stone Truncheon Head: ID 17062 action_id 17060
Created new crafting action for Club Body: ID 17063 action_id 17061

Other Notes:

There's only one artificer work table in Three Rivers Village, it's a finishing table called Bowyer's Worktable (spawn_id: 1430127). I am renaming this table to conform to the standard of all worktables.
There are no refining artificer stations here at all, so I am adding one in the same building the other station is in. This is either in error or just made to waste players time by forcing them to go all the way to Tursh or BC to finish their quest.
The Original Imbalanced Wood Grip was not entirely set up correctly with the stage_0_id listing the 3 preliminary actions (1, 3, or 5 grips) so I've fixed it. I did not test it.

Qalian Artificer Amateur Training: Complete

Notes before I begin:

Qalian Stone Truncheon (recipe_id: 22628) - Need to change the stage 0 action with actions created specifically for training quests.
Qalian Wood Club (recipe_id: 22636) - Need to change the stage 0 action with actions created specifically for training quests.

Work Done:

Replaced the action_id and stage_0_id on both "Qalian Stone Truncheon" and "Qalian Wood Club" recipes.
Added "Amateur Education: " to the two Qalian specific recipes
Added new actions in quest script.

Kojani Artificer Amateur Training: In Progress

Notes before I begin:

Kojani Stone Truncheon (recipe_id: 22629) - Need to change the stage 0 action with actions created specifically for training quests.
Kojani Wood Club (recipe_id: 22637) - Need to change the stage 0 action with actions created specifically for training quests.

Work Done:

Replaced the action_id and stage_0_id on both "Kojani Stone Truncheon" and "Kojani Wood Club" recipes.
Added "Amateur Education: " to the two Kojani specific recipes
Added new actions in quest script.

Curby · Post by **Curby** » Sun Apr 24, 2022 3:32 pm

Posting this here from a search I did in Discord. . .

Jakkal — 02/11/2022
Crafting: Amateur Education Quests have been disabled.
Reason: I thought T2 was closer to finished based on information from prior designers. Turns out most of the T2 recipes have not been set up yet. This causes players to try recipes only to find they don't work, and give them the wrong impression about the state of the game.

My bad folks, sorry. We'll re-enable them once T2 is finished. Yes this will probably take a few months.

Post by **Jakkal** » Mon Oct 09, 2023 8:19 am

October 2023 Update:

We just released T2 crafting and then discovered a huge issue with the Wood Board recipe for the Amateur Artificer quest. The Action IDs somehow got mixed up with another recipe (We do not know how this happened). Upon making a new action specific to these recipes, they were not working.

The fix, for if this ever comes up again: Newly created actions have to be delivered to the player via the quest accept function. Because the action being sent in the quest was not the right one anymore, it was sending a generic error message when trying to set up the recipe. (Tools on the recipe sheet, materials in the chat). The actual problem is that the player did not have the correct, new action.

New Action for Thestran, Kojan, and Qalian Amateur Artificer Wood Club recipe: ID: 17138 Action ID: 17089 Action ID goes in the components tab. ID goes in the stage_0_id of the results tab.

This issue has been fixed but for anyone that already had the quest: You must drop it and retake it. Yes you will lose your progress so far. Sorry about that, but this is the only way to give your toon the new action IDs needed to complete it.

Curby · Post by **Curby** » Sun Oct 29, 2023 7:13 am

Jakkal - Thanks for fixing the Seeking the Trainer quest.

Couple other minor (pedantic) things I noticed.

1. The Artificer Training instructor (Odri Axbul, Quest "Qualian Amateur Education" - 2616) tells you that you'll be making Stone Signets and a Shortbow, but you actually have to make Stone Truncheons and a Wood Club.

Qualian Amateur Education - 2616.JPG

2. This quest text here doesn't appear to be worded correctly. I think it would sound better with something along the lines of "Amateur crafting has a distinct difference..." or maybe "There is a distinct difference between amateur crafting and novice crafting..."

The difference in Amateur Crafting.JPG

3. I know we use the shorthand of "Nuke" to mean damage, but I don't recall it being listed that way in the descriptions. I thought it was listed as Damage. I may be misremembering though.

Resonating Dust of Hexes.JPG

4. I still have the Amateur Training recipes in my book.
I wasn't sure if those should be removed after completing the quest or not.

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